Niall Donald

It doesn't present them as a psychopath.

Yeah.

And that's what they feel he should be presented as.

So I don't mean a psychopath in the normal sort of

I mean, a proper psychopath, which is somebody who has no remorse, has no empathy, is only self-involved and commits violence without a second thought.

Or if he was to be there, that he should be, that should be how he is presented as a cold, ruthless, self-absorbed psychopath, as your letter says.

Now, you know,

There may be people like that in this world that are classic psychopaths.

most people who are, most people are a mixture of good and bad.

Criminals are a mixture of good and bad.

The Kinnans, the Hutches, everybody else, you know, the reporters, the judges, the guards.

Some of us have more goodness and some of us have more bad, but we're all human beings that have a range of these qualities.

You know, and the monk certainly shows him to have concern for his family, you know, loyalty to his friends.

It also shows him to be ambivalent about committing criminal acts, let's put it that way.

It also shows, I suppose, how his life of, you know, how he became introduced to crime.

And there is no doubt poverty and deprivation.

Yeah.

But I suppose the moral question then becomes not...

what Rex Ryan gets out of it but what Gerard Hutch gets out of it and does Rex Ryan facilitate that and that's where the moral question has come from I mean I sort of summarise what the moral case is but that is the case is that you know is this immoral as a result of Gerard Hutch participating and getting something out of it

Well, I think so.