Niall Donald

I mean, let's not pretend that they're not, no matter who has come before into that system, it's been complex.

I mean, because otherwise they wouldn't be in a position to be a witness at all.

So there was very little happening that day.

It's February.

It's kind of a quiet enough time for news in general.

And Alan Cherry and Ernie Leslie were on the road.

They were at another story, actually, in Finglas.

Well, it was one of these classic sort of district court stories where a guy had, I think some teenagers had thrown stones at his car and he got out and slapped the teenager.

Always great kind of human stories because some people feel sorry for the teenagers and some people don't.

And so Alan had been out there

But the guy had moved on.

He called out to his house to see if he wanted to talk.

He'd moved on.

He wasn't there.

And we discussed going to the Regency earlier.

And I said, look, just go along and see what happens.

you know, divert there.

You know, we obviously weren't expecting anything.

And obviously that point of Alan being there would be the subject of conspiracy, but we'll get into that at a later point.

Yes, and as you said, you know, to see who was standing beside the Kinnuns and who wasn't from that bigger organised crime group.