Niall Donald

But a lot of what the violence that occurs is over drug deaths, isn't it, within the prison system.

So somebody, drugs are still given on credit within the system and somebody owes 20 quid and they can't, don't have or they won't pay it.

And that leads to this kind of

this level of violence.

Now, what sort of drugs are they seizing?

Is it all and everything?

It is all and everything.

These are prescription medications.

Yes.

Basically, like...

you know, anti-anxiety medications or that sort of stuff.

it's not the only way that the drugs are getting into the jails like throw overs are still common so I mean we actually had a couple of pictures over the years we've got them a few times so it's basically young lads get hired and they literally walk up to the wall and fling them over I mean it requires a bit of athleticism

Because there was two reasons that the kids were used was the nappies and that obviously the prison...

prison officers have to search people as they come in, but they're much less inclined to be searching a young child in that manner, in that invasive manner.

And then also the buggies sometimes, they used to use them because there'd be metal on the buggies anyway.

Yes.

But obviously what they're getting at here where they're saying, what is the term, something like immediate children.

Obviously people pretending...

To have a daughter, is it?

That certainly was a suspicion.