Niall Donald

Because, of course, there is a level of organisation.

within the prison system.

And, you know, there are some people that when they go into prison, they can make quite a lot of money and they can, you know, they can direct drug gangs, they can have guys working for them.

And obviously violence is the tool in which they keep order.

Do we know anything, you know, maybe not getting into names, but do we know people that have taken on that role in Wheatfield or...

Yeah, because traditionally sometimes the prison would discipline, they obviously have their own internal disciplinary systems, but it wouldn't necessarily go to the Gardaí.

Or assaults, yeah.

Because, of course, some people have come before the courts.

But it does seem like it is quite a skilled job, I suppose, flying a drone over a period of time.

Yeah, drone pilots, like it's not, it's, you know, they're very advanced, but it's not totally easy to do it.

So you're presumably there's somebody who specializes in doing it, like, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah, that are willing to be involved in drug smuggling anyway, you know?

So they have, so if you go into, if you stand outside Wheatfield, which I've done myself, it's kind of in the middle of nowhere really in West Dublin.

And there's a big wall.

And I think if the throwovers come at one wall in particular, but obviously they've, for many years, they've had these nets on top of the exercise yard.

are they working and is there new plans to deal with the drones?

Because there was a case, wasn't there, that the drones were carrying on fire, basically.

Yes.

It burned through the nets.