Niall Donald

Criminal retirement, you might say.

So you're born what year, Rex, we're not?

89.

89.

So through the 2000s, you're, you know, becoming a teenager and becoming a man.

And Gerard Hutch's public image at that stage is quite, it's much...

He's much less controversial, I suppose.

But obviously then the feud begins in Dublin in 2015, I suppose.

You could pick another date, but really in 2015 with the murder of Gary Hutch, it becomes a huge story across the world.

How aware are you of these events?

Are you following them?

Are you interested in them?

Because, of course, it is such a compelling story.

And, you know, as you said, there's a huge human cost and a huge human cost for families.

But there's also an incredible level of drama, I suppose, in it, just given its nature.

Now, I mean, I remember Gerard Hutch is arrested in Spain and after, you know, evading police attention, let's put it that way.

And then he is ultimately brought back to prison where he's placed on remand after being charged with the murder of David Byrne, which he would ultimately be found not guilty of, which everybody will remember.

But at that point, he's kept in remand in Wheatfield Prison.

And that's your first contact with him, I suppose, isn't it?

Comes in Wheatfield Prison.