Niall Donald

prison officers have to search people as they come in, but they're much less inclined to be searching a young child in that manner, in that invasive manner.

And then also the buggies sometimes, they used to use them because there'd be metal on the buggies anyway.

Yes.

But obviously what they're getting at here where they're saying, what is the term, something like immediate children.

Obviously people pretending...

To have a daughter, is it?

That certainly was a suspicion.

Because, of course, there is a level of organisation.

within the prison system.

And, you know, there are some people that when they go into prison, they can make quite a lot of money and they can, you know, they can direct drug gangs, they can have guys working for them.

And obviously violence is the tool in which they keep order.

Do we know anything, you know, maybe not getting into names, but do we know people that have taken on that role in Wheatfield or...

Yeah, because traditionally sometimes the prison would discipline, they obviously have their own internal disciplinary systems, but it wouldn't necessarily go to the Gardaí.

Or assaults, yeah.

Because, of course, some people have come before the courts.

But it does seem like it is quite a skilled job, I suppose, flying a drone over a period of time.

Yeah, drone pilots, like it's not, it's, you know, they're very advanced, but it's not totally easy to do it.

So you're presumably there's somebody who specializes in doing it, like, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah, that are willing to be involved in drug smuggling anyway, you know?