Niall Donald

is raised in Cabra but his birth certificate says that he was born in England in a place called Perryvale near Ealing I think in London.

So this is the late 1950s when at that time in Irish history we were you know there was high unemployment

a huge number of people left Ireland to go to England at times to get work.

Many of them returned, but that would have been one of the big points of emigration where young couples got married and went over there.

Certainly, Christy Kinnan wasn't raised in England, but he certainly does seem to have had lived there at times.

He's had connections to Birmingham and that sort of area, maybe all his life.

So he's described, I suppose, as a middle class, having a middle class upbringing.

So, I mean, yeah, I know it well.

I mean, I would have grown up very close to there.

I mean, those houses are worth a huge amount of money.

Now, like a lot of houses in that area, for example, those big houses on the North Circular Road, which aren't far away, there probably would have been times where you would have picked them up at a bargain price, but it would be very, very far away from some of the figures we've discussed, for example, the grinding poverty in which Gerry Hutch would have been born into poverty.

Certainly Christy Kinnan would have been raised in something that's now worth a huge amount of money, that home.

I, you know, that's part of East Cabra.

Now, if you walk through East Cabra now, you can't.

There's organic coffee shops and all of that sort of stuff and houses being sold for routinely close to half a million pounds.

Like back in the 60s, it wouldn't have been so much like that, I think.

And those houses, like a lot of places in sort of stony batter or somewhere like that, those houses wouldn't have been seen as, you know, posh houses.

Would a taxi driver's wage have bought that house?

Well, it would have.

It would be far, far bigger than most houses in that area and would have cost a lot of money.