Niall Donald

But I suppose it's a different context and Cabra would have been different then.

And Christy Kinnan would have been growing up in the 60s, early 70s when he's a teenager.

And Cabra at that stage would have been a lot kind of wilder, I suppose.

Like a lot of areas, there was a lot of homes built at one stage and young people grew up.

And, you know, it certainly would be a far more settled area, just like places in places like Crumlin and Drimna have become far more settled as the time has gone on.

And so he would have been brought up in an area that I wouldn't describe as being a sort of upper middle class, middle class area.

He would have been grown up in a working class area, in a big house in a working class area.

It is a huge leap.

And people would have said to me, for example, that, you know, the connection between the Cavanagh and the Kinnan family, for example, has always been a bit... Where does that... Is it Palmer Cavanagh?

This is Balmer Cavanagh's parents would have known Christie Kinnan's dad.

They would have been friendly.

All those people have no involvement in crime.

There's no suggestion of that, but that it would have been, I suppose, you know, maybe not as straightforward as this is a, he's a middle class guy.

It's somewhere along that line, I suppose.

And like most Irish people have, you know, it's, the poverty is only one generation away, I suppose.

And, you know, it just shows you when somebody gets as big a news story as Christy Kinahan that his leaving results have been made public.

Do you know that?

Didn't know that.

And maybe not made public, but the son did a story about how he actually failed his leaving.

Right.