Niall Donald

And then at that point, then they make a decision if somebody is to be charged or released without charge.

And obviously, Michael Kelly has been through all of this before because he was arrested and then released without charge.

Now that's Pat, obviously we played at the start, Pat talking to Michael Kelly in Tralee, where he ultimately ended up, I suppose, in the months after the murder.

Now, he was one of these, I suppose, unusual guys.

Look, an unusual guy for sure.

I suppose often when people are arrested in connection with crimes, they hide their faces, you know, coming out there, do anything but speak.

But Michael Kelly spoke again and again to the media about the case.

What do we know, I suppose, about Michael Kelly?

Three years.

No, and he sort of spoke about repeatedly, he probably spoke about this bit more than anything, about why he had to leave the US.

And the narrative he had was that he sort of got in dispute with these alt-right guys, was how he describes them.

He thinks of himself as a patriot, doesn't he, Michael Kelly?

And he served in the US Defence Forces, though there was some dispute about

what had happened there exactly.

And he seems to claim that he was being targeted with violence.

Was he saying shots were fired at his house or his dog was threatened and things like that and that they wanted to get him and that he subsequently went to Ireland and he basically said the threats were following him over there.

But also it does seem to be relevant that there was a family breakdown before he left the U.S.,

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

So he landed over here.