Niall

So we're going back to 2017 and 2016 when these phones were being used.

Yeah.

Now, what will come out at Sean McGovern's sentence hearing will give us an insight into perhaps how those phones were ultimately further decrypted.

Because of course, they all have this app on them that deletes everything if you're caught or you can, you know, I think if you're actually a distance away from your phone, some of them will delete.

So they were very high tech.

But they were photographed before they deleted.

So they had the handles, etc.

Now, you're going to pick up this because you believe that they, Gardaí had sent that then, that information, the description of this network to the US who helped them sort of break into it, hack into it.

Nothing's gone forever.

We also heard that the police, of course, the Gardaí were bugging, actively bugging cars during this period of time.

And there was one particular hit team that were actively trying to murder an individual who was linked to the Hutch organisation.

And they had been heavily bugged, those cars.

And phone calls they were making were picked up on the bugs as well.

Yeah.

And when you put those things together, if you're trying to identify who's speaking to who and who's directing who, you get the timeline from the bugging, plus you have the phone.

Yeah, exactly.

You put together the pieces of the jigsaw, which is why it took so long really for this file to be prepared and then for the DPP to consider it.

He did a statement to Toksport at one point.

And sometimes I think what's picked up as well is conversations relating to articles within media, which don't necessarily name or sometimes do name somebody.

Or sometimes don't.