Niall

So obviously you hear then a bit about the discussion with the doctors because obviously Mr Moore becomes concerned

that the lettering rat is going to be visible on his face for life which is clearly the intention if you brand somebody and it's described how the wound the lettering is four centimetres deep which shows that this isn't you know not that you could hold something like that casually but it's

deeply branded within him and he obviously ultimately receives some cosmetic surgery, plastic surgery as a result and he has to get skin grafts.

I think they do say he's recovering well, so they don't get into the very specifics.

But you can see, and this also comes up later when they sentence him, I mean, this is not a...

you know, it's a deliberate act to humiliate this man, not just even within that moment, but for ongoing for the rest of his life, to leave him scarred and to leave him branded as a rat.

Ian Fitzsimons remained pretty static, but once the sentence was received, he started laughing and joking as well.

So there are clearly...

Yeah, so I think they're in custody from the day after when they're arrested.

So he obviously lands in hospital.

The guards are called, presumably.

They don't get into that, but you can only imagine it's inevitably they're called.

Mr. Moore at some point speaks to them, gives them a statement, and in which case they're arrested.

I think it's within a couple of days.

There's a major operation, actually.

A hundred guards go into six addresses and they're arrested and they remain in custody ever since.

They're charged that weekend.

they're brought into court within days they're not released again file sent to the DPP or anything like that so obviously at this point the guards believe they have enough

to bring those charges.

Exactly.