Nic McKinley

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Finding Peak with Ryan Hanley · Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking · 17 Apr 2025 podcast

The short story is, and I've told this a lot of times on podcasts like Patrick Bet-David and stuff in much longer form, is I met the CIA, was working counterterrorism issues with a JSOC counterpart. We came across what I like to call smoking gun intel on a child trafficker that was moving children across the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and basically selling them for whatever.

And we figured, like, okay, we now know this intel. Trafficking isn't our mission. It's somebody else's mission. We're going to write this intel up. It's going to go through the process and end up in the right person's hands. Well, it turned out there was no right person's hands for the intel to land in. And that made me really curious.

Human trafficking wasn't at the time a mandatory presidential reporting requirement. I don't think it is still to this day. And that got me really curious. And when you have access to systems at the Central Intelligence Agency, which like when you're at the CIA and you have the highest clearance that you can possibly get in the government, there's nothing that you can't reach down into.

Now, if you start reaching down into classified programs that you have no business reaching down into, like some people are going to come knock on your door and ask you some questions. But beyond that, you can kind of get to anything that you need to get to. So I started hunting for who's

got the ball on the human trafficking issue and is running it towards the end zone and figured out that there was really nobody. And that then led me kind of deeper into learning about human trafficking. And I learned that dollar for dollar, the largest human trafficking market in the world is the United States of America.

And that just blew my mind because I was just still thinking that a human trafficking was an over there issue, not an over here issue.

We're the biggest human trafficker because I was at our biggest human trafficking market, as in we have the most customers and we spend as a country the most money. on purchasing primarily children and young girls for sex. That is something that we, the United States of America, are the number one in the world on.

It's not even just being trafficked into the country. So when I learned that human trafficking in the United States, right? Dollar for dollar. Largest human trafficking market in the world. Hmm. My mind was blown because like, wait a minute, here I am in Afghanistan. We can kill people with flying robots from 6000 miles away, but we can't do anything about this like child trafficking issue.

And I'm still thinking it's like, oh, it's coming across the border and things like that. And that does happen. Right. I mean, Trump is not wrong. It does happen. And there are traffickers who come in here and they bring children with them and they recycle children across the border and all that. But according to the DOJ, 86% of the victims in their cases are U.S. citizens.

Over 70% of the human traffickers are U.S. citizens. So whether it's traffickers coming across the border or it's traffickers who are already in our country, they're preying upon our children. And the reason why is because of the Internet. I mean, in my day... you know, the creep, right, pre-internet, the creepy guy on the wrong side of town, everybody knew, keep your kids away from him.

And the only kids that he could abuse were really the kids that he could get access to, which were usually lower socioeconomic demographic, undersupervised, moms working three jobs, no dad, right? I mean, the typical story. Now, because of the internet,

And, you know, poverty being relative to what you compare it to the girl with a thousand dollar shoes in the private school is impoverished compared to the girls with the two thousand dollar shoes. And so she gets on her phone because her parents are checked out. Right.

Mom's on Xanax and wine and dad is just working too much to to be, you know, to be relative or to be a good influence in her life and understand what's going on. And so she gets on her phone and she makes a couple of bad decisions trying to get some extra money. And next thing you know. you have a girl who's being trafficked out of an $80,000 private school.

That is a real story that we were involved in. And she was going to school every day and being trafficked in the evening. And everybody just knew that her grades were suffering and she was getting, you know, her mental health was getting worse. But nobody knew what was going on.

So the Internet gave all the predators access to every child in the country and really around the world who has a smartphone or a gaming console. We've got plenty of cases where that happened. And so that was my kind of epiphany as a CIA officer to say, wait a minute. Again, most powerful military, economic and intelligence might the world has ever seen.

And yet our own children are being trafficked. We got to do something about this. And then that's where I took my skills training and created a fund called Deliver Fund to be able to fund the equipping, training and advising of children.

law enforcement officers to help them be able to close human trafficking cases and find human traffickers and put them in bars behind bars better, faster and cheaper. That was the overall goal, which obviously then also I have for profit companies that that build technology and

provide that technology to deliver fund for free and then deliver fund as its own engineers, that it's building technology. And so we have this consortium, right, this ecosystem for good that's all centered around this one problem of fighting child sex trafficking in the United States of America, which which then translates to other Western countries. And so that was kind of the origin story.

And that, I think, is the thing that people need to understand is trafficking is not predominantly a border issue. It is connected to the border. I'm not saying it's not, but predominantly it's the trafficker from L.A.,

who's moving through Oklahoma on his way to Chicago, who has been targeting a couple of 14-year-old girls in rural America and grabs them, drugs them, takes them to Chicago and starts selling them. That's human trafficking in America.

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