Nicholas Kristof

And then thousands of them were massacred without the U.S.

doing anything much at all.

So I think he's kind of on a trajectory that may well lead to bombing Iran without it being very clear what that accomplishes.

I mean, I think you're right in that, look, he did not destroy the Iranian nuclear program, but he did certainly set it back quite significantly.

The best guess among nuclear experts is that the highly enriched uranium is now deeply buried, that it doesn't have the

capacity right now to process it, that it may be building additional facilities and bring in centrifuges and try to rebuild the program.

But for right now, that is not happening.

So I think you're right, Michelle.

And I think that undermines the whole rationale for what I think is quite likely going ahead.

You know...

I'm a little skeptical whenever people do have grand strategies, because, you know, that's kind of what led us to Vietnam.

That's what led us to the Iraq War.

George H.W.

Bush had, I think, a much more modest sense of, you know, bit by bit trying to engineer changes where we can.

But

cautious of grand, overwhelming theories.

Look, the military toolbox is absolutely essential.

And I think sometimes my world of liberals has underappreciated the value of that military toolbox.

But on the other hand, it tends to work best with small, modest operations.

And we get in trouble.