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Nick Fountain

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Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

The crackdown.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Right.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

This next part is about the moment that line between legit loophole and illegitimate tax shelter comes into focus.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

These tax professionals have been pushing on one side of that line.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Now the government is going to start pushing back from the other side.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Which brings us back to Carolyn, the lawyer who spent nearly two decades at the IRS.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

In 2021, she says, the IRS was soliciting from their staff candidates for this list they put together every year where they call out tax schemes that people should be very wary of.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Like, do this at your own risk because it might come back to bite you.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

It's called the Dirty Dozen List.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

That means tax lawyers?

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

And she says one way the IRS figures out if something is legit or not is whether there's any economic logic to it other than avoiding taxes.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Like, is there a business reason a person or a company might need a Maltese account?

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Yeah, it did not.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

So she nominated it for that year's Dirty Dozen list.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Arguing that putting your highly appreciated assets into a Maltese retirement account doesn't

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

like imaginary Max Franklin sticking his chunk of a company in there, is a tax shenanigan, a move that ultimately denies the American government and people the money they're due.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

It sends out a big press release saying putting appreciated assets into Maltese retirement accounts in order to avoid taxes is probably sketchy.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

We're looking into it and officially adding it to the dirty dozen.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Is that a huge day for you?

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Just walk into the office with a lot of bravado.