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Nick Fountain

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Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Yeah, dirty dozen activated, industry put on notice.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

But the loophole was still out there.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

They needed to figure out a way to truly close it.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

And it turned out that inside of the treaty, there contained a little important take-backsies clause.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Which said, basically, if there's something that's not clearly defined in the treaty...

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

They said, oh, by the way, when the treaty said the U.S.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

would honor the terms of these Maltese retirement accounts for Americans, it didn't mean that Americans could put in highly appreciated assets.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

It meant they could deposit their already taxed cash, just like in the U.S.,

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

In other words, no real estate, no Bitcoin, no chunks of companies.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

And just like that, less than a year after Carolyn first learned about the loophole, the IRS was able to clarify a previously mushy-mouthed area of tax law.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

This was a scary time for people who did this Malta thing and the whole cottage industry that encouraged them to do it.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Because the government had sort of shifted that line between legitimate and illegitimate.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

They said, you cannot use that loophole.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

And actually, you maybe never could.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Of course they didn't do that.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

Their lawyers and advisors started to meet to strategize on how they were going to fight back against the IRS and protect their loophole.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

After the break, we hear someone who is now one of the most powerful tax officials in President Trump's administration on tape leading the charge to protect the Malta tax loophole.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

So you've got all these very wealthy people with millions, even billions of dollars in these Maltese retirement accounts.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

But now the IRS is telling them, no, you can't be putting your chunks of companies or any appreciated assets in there.

Planet Money
The leaked tapes that show how the rich avoid taxes

But just because the IRS says, uh-uh, doesn't necessarily make it so.