Nick Gillespie

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229 appearances 2 recordings 2 series first heard Dec 2024 last heard Feb 2025

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You have to get the 2% milk or the nonfat milk because we don't trust you to make a good decision. That is so patronizing to my mind. It shouldn't be allowed.
You'll have fights over where the line gets drawn exactly, right? And things like that. But to me, and I like the way that you phrase it, it's like, who are the people who are left out? And particularly the people who are left out through no actions of their own, how do we give them a shot at participating in society?
Yeah. What you're describing is broadly, you know, a lot of Republicans think this way. I think a lot of conservatives. I think liberals go back and forth when you're talking about Chicago and it's like, oh, we got to help these people. But then if it's some, you know, fat Walmart shopper in a small town in Indiana, it's like, just buck it up, pal.
Quick break and then back. All right. We are back. This is one of the things that is fascinating about Donald Trump is that he is a master of playing all of this kind of stuff against itself because, you know, when he's talking about tariffs and when he's talking about help, you know, he just was praising the longshoremen.
Yeah. Well, Donald Trump, and this is probably the only time this sentence has been spoken in the English language, I think of Donald Trump like Bob Dylan. And by that, I mean that he- Hold on a minute.
Yeah. Yeah. He has- He's certainly blowing in the wind, but what- A million different persona. And at any given point in time, Bob Dylan absolutely believes what he's singing. And when he was anti-war, he believed that when he thought Reuben Carter was innocent. He believes it in the moment. Yeah.
And then when he thought that God was going to come and kill his friends and throw them into a lake of everlasting hellfire-
He got out of that quick. But Trump believes what he's saying. So I don't think he's being calculated and saying, I'm screwing around with the longshoremen.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah. But it does get into this larger question for the country. Surprisingly, I think my worldview would fix just about everything in the world.
You know, I've been waiting. No, but what we have now is a government that pretty much at all levels, but certainly at the federal level, is spending way too much. It cannot or won't raise revenue to cover its costs. So it's creating debt. And we can talk about why debt is a problem beyond some kind of accounting fetish.
But we are trying to do, the government is trying to do so many things, it is doing them poorly and it's unsustainable. And I think we're reaching a moment where this long period after World War II, And even after the Cold War ended where, okay, there's a reset coming and you can't keep spending, you know, $7 trillion a year and taking in $4.5 trillion, which is what we're doing.
And we're going to have to make choices. And this is where, you know, I think if we would say, here's the goal of government, the goal of government is not to make sure that everybody ever everywhere keeps the job they had when they were 25, even if they're 65. But it's like government is here to provide several core functions and to kind of keep things moving in a direction.
Then how do we pay for that? How much does that cost? How do we pay for it? And how do we empower people to use whatever money we're giving them?
Yeah, which is a wonderful metaphor for everything.
Can I push on this a little bit? Please. Yeah, what I was going to challenge is like capitalism is inherently exploitative, you know, and that labor is always getting, you know, punched in the head or hit in the kidneys with a baseball bat by who was the guy and on the waterfront, Johnny Friendly, I think. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, you know, and maybe he had a bouncer who was really fat that they called Tiny. I think it was an ironic universe, right? Oh, that's how it worked. Yeah. But I don't necessarily agree with that.
And in a lot of ways, I would push back on it because when you talk about, you know, okay, you know, the boss, the boss man, and, you know, now we're back in Springsteen universe, right? Because, you know... For Bruce Springsteen, things have never recovered from the Great Depression. He's still mumbling along the mean streets of Rumson.
Yeah.
What? What? What I'm getting at is that employers are desperate, generally speaking. If you are a good employee, and I worked as a manager at Reason for 20 plus years, if there was somebody who was putting in a better than average effort, I would do everything to keep them. But you're running a small business.
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