Nick Gillespie

But in any case, I was going to say that I, you know, I'm a libertarian because I grew up lower middle class, not because it's often characterized as, you know, this is, you know, this is a philosophy for upper middle class people, highly educated people, men mostly, and some women who are like Ayn Rand or something like, you know, use cigarette holders or something.

But in any case, I was going to say that I, you know, I'm a libertarian because I grew up lower middle class, not because it's often characterized as, you know, this is, you know, this is a philosophy for upper middle class people, highly educated people, men mostly, and some women who are like Ayn Rand or something like, you know, use cigarette holders or something.

Yeah, that's right. You know, my whole point, I agree with you in the questions you're asking. I think capitalism, broadly speaking, as an operating system generates more possibilities for people. I agree. And this is why I'm not an anarchist. You know, when you talk about poor people.

Yeah, that's right. You know, my whole point, I agree with you in the questions you're asking. I think capitalism, broadly speaking, as an operating system generates more possibilities for people. I agree. And this is why I'm not an anarchist. You know, when you talk about poor people.

Yeah, well, part of the problem with political discourse in America, and I think it's always been this way, is that 90% of us say we're middle class. And so you get middle class people, and this happened under, it happened under George W. Bush, it happened under Trump, certainly under Biden, where suddenly households who are making $400,000-

Yeah, well, part of the problem with political discourse in America, and I think it's always been this way, is that 90% of us say we're middle class. And so you get middle class people, and this happened under, it happened under George W. Bush, it happened under Trump, certainly under Biden, where suddenly households who are making $400,000-

are being subsidized by the government and you hear this you know i'm talking to you from hell's kitchen in new york and you'll hear people in new york say with a straight face like oh you know making 300 grand in new york just isn't really a lot it's just not happening right yeah you know it's like you know we're pinched and it's like then move or you know whatever but what i was going to say is that the libertarian argument for helping people

are being subsidized by the government and you hear this you know i'm talking to you from hell's kitchen in new york and you'll hear people in new york say with a straight face like oh you know making 300 grand in new york just isn't really a lot it's just not happening right yeah you know it's like you know we're pinched and it's like then move or you know whatever but what i was going to say is that the libertarian argument for helping people

who need it. And assistance in the market goes something like this. Or part of it is that, you know, if you're a kid and your parents, for whatever reason, aren't, you know, they're not well off, you don't have a lot of options, giving kids access to education and to healthcare will allow them to grow so that they can fully participate in society, which is a good thing.

who need it. And assistance in the market goes something like this. Or part of it is that, you know, if you're a kid and your parents, for whatever reason, aren't, you know, they're not well off, you don't have a lot of options, giving kids access to education and to healthcare will allow them to grow so that they can fully participate in society, which is a good thing.

Then we can say, okay, well, that's why we have, you know, Medicaid and why we have public schools. And then it might be the case that we say, well, you know what, let's maybe give the parents money so that they can pick the school their kid goes to. Like the government doesn't have to run the schools, et cetera.

Then we can say, okay, well, that's why we have, you know, Medicaid and why we have public schools. And then it might be the case that we say, well, you know what, let's maybe give the parents money so that they can pick the school their kid goes to. Like the government doesn't have to run the schools, et cetera.

But there should be some aid and assistance in the interest of helping people fully participate in society.

But there should be some aid and assistance in the interest of helping people fully participate in society.

I think I can make a case that is consistent with libertarian beliefs and a belief in mostly free markets and laissez-faire and certainly personal liberties, that the state can exist to help people in terms of safety nets and in terms of helping to guarantee or at least multiply opportunities.

I think I can make a case that is consistent with libertarian beliefs and a belief in mostly free markets and laissez-faire and certainly personal liberties, that the state can exist to help people in terms of safety nets and in terms of helping to guarantee or at least multiply opportunities.

But having said that, the reason why cars became cheaper and better and isn't because the government said, hey, you know what, we're going to give you

But having said that, the reason why cars became cheaper and better and isn't because the government said, hey, you know what, we're going to give you

uh you know a subsidized loan in order to to buy that gremlin you know it actually cars in america got better uh and cheaper when you think about it in terms of the amount of work that people have to do to buy them when we opened up to competition and throughout the you know through the mid 70s

uh you know a subsidized loan in order to to buy that gremlin you know it actually cars in america got better uh and cheaper when you think about it in terms of the amount of work that people have to do to buy them when we opened up to competition and throughout the you know through the mid 70s