Nick Groff

Um, to fast forward in time, I remember getting a phone call from Debbie and she talked to me and just said, you know, it's the point where it's just so toxic and I want this in life. And I personally just, um, was I, I was, uh, off of ghost ventures. I wasn't a part of Ghost Ventures anymore. And I was working on making Paranormal Lockdown.

Um, to fast forward in time, I remember getting a phone call from Debbie and she talked to me and just said, you know, it's the point where it's just so toxic and I want this in life. And I personally just, um, was I, I was, uh, off of ghost ventures. I wasn't a part of Ghost Ventures anymore. And I was working on making Paranormal Lockdown.

Um, to fast forward in time, I remember getting a phone call from Debbie and she talked to me and just said, you know, it's the point where it's just so toxic and I want this in life. And I personally just, um, was I, I was, uh, off of ghost ventures. I wasn't a part of Ghost Ventures anymore. And I was working on making Paranormal Lockdown.

And she called me and she had this conversation with me. And I said, Debbie, I'll be honest with you. If you really want to change your life and you want to feel good about it, because I was going through a lot of shit back then, too. And I wanted to feel good. I want to be positive. And this is my direction. I'm getting away from negativity. Right.

And she called me and she had this conversation with me. And I said, Debbie, I'll be honest with you. If you really want to change your life and you want to feel good about it, because I was going through a lot of shit back then, too. And I wanted to feel good. I want to be positive. And this is my direction. I'm getting away from negativity. Right.

And she called me and she had this conversation with me. And I said, Debbie, I'll be honest with you. If you really want to change your life and you want to feel good about it, because I was going through a lot of shit back then, too. And I wanted to feel good. I want to be positive. And this is my direction. I'm getting away from negativity. Right.

So I could I could relate to what she was saying without getting personal with her relationship, her life. And I just said, look, it's simple. you want to feel good in life and you want to be positive and move forward with what you want to do, then detach negative things around you and go for it. Like go after what you personally want to do and I'll leave it at that.

So I could I could relate to what she was saying without getting personal with her relationship, her life. And I just said, look, it's simple. you want to feel good in life and you want to be positive and move forward with what you want to do, then detach negative things around you and go for it. Like go after what you personally want to do and I'll leave it at that.

So I could I could relate to what she was saying without getting personal with her relationship, her life. And I just said, look, it's simple. you want to feel good in life and you want to be positive and move forward with what you want to do, then detach negative things around you and go for it. Like go after what you personally want to do and I'll leave it at that.

And that conversation we had and then she I didn't hear from her a bit. And I didn't hear from anyone, but I was so hyper-focused on making Parent Lockdown that, you know, that's kind of what it became for a little bit. The last event I did with them was my first Nick Roth tour event at the Mansfield Reformatory in Ohio. I literally convinced them.

And that conversation we had and then she I didn't hear from her a bit. And I didn't hear from anyone, but I was so hyper-focused on making Parent Lockdown that, you know, that's kind of what it became for a little bit. The last event I did with them was my first Nick Roth tour event at the Mansfield Reformatory in Ohio. I literally convinced them.

And that conversation we had and then she I didn't hear from her a bit. And I didn't hear from anyone, but I was so hyper-focused on making Parent Lockdown that, you know, that's kind of what it became for a little bit. The last event I did with them was my first Nick Roth tour event at the Mansfield Reformatory in Ohio. I literally convinced them.

They weren't working together anymore at that point. They didn't want to do stuff together, but I convinced them to come to the event and be a part of it. I had like everyone there for guests. And they agreed. They said, we both like you. We'll put our differences. And they were cool. They came out. They were cool. And they were cordial. But they were still bickering.

They weren't working together anymore at that point. They didn't want to do stuff together, but I convinced them to come to the event and be a part of it. I had like everyone there for guests. And they agreed. They said, we both like you. We'll put our differences. And they were cool. They came out. They were cool. And they were cordial. But they were still bickering.

They weren't working together anymore at that point. They didn't want to do stuff together, but I convinced them to come to the event and be a part of it. I had like everyone there for guests. And they agreed. They said, we both like you. We'll put our differences. And they were cool. They came out. They were cool. And they were cordial. But they were still bickering.

We went out to dinner together. You know, I just, I still saw it. I said, wow, this is, I don't know, this is getting out of control, kind of toxic. And that was kind of the last event I did with them.

We went out to dinner together. You know, I just, I still saw it. I said, wow, this is, I don't know, this is getting out of control, kind of toxic. And that was kind of the last event I did with them.

We went out to dinner together. You know, I just, I still saw it. I said, wow, this is, I don't know, this is getting out of control, kind of toxic. And that was kind of the last event I did with them.

And then I get a phone call, and it's Debbie again. And she tells me that she was coming back to her house with her friend, and all of a sudden, Mark and I think their daughter were there, something like that.

And then I get a phone call, and it's Debbie again. And she tells me that she was coming back to her house with her friend, and all of a sudden, Mark and I think their daughter were there, something like that.