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Nick Harkaway

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348 total appearances

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

It was as if, as he climbed St.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

Martin's Lane in the direction of his old office, he were making his way down onto the plain of an abyssal sea.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

For the last months, he had lived in a daylight world, had espoused its meanings and attitudes, and enjoyed the simple pleasures of other men.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

Now, as he approached the familiar door, he found that he was once again engaging in the exercise of paranoia which had governed his former life.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

Deliberately, he let the nature and movements of his fellow pedestrians function as a random factor in his own movements, making up ridiculous rules as he went along.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

The notion of constant danger was a madness that men in his profession must both inhabit and put aside, and the truth was more complex, that the world could change in an instant from clear and kind to desperate and cold, and the trick to survival lay in knowing that instant before it happened, and not when.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

This was a skill he had once possessed, but could not guarantee until he tested it again.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

By the time he reached the circus, he was, as he had been for the three preceding decades of his life, afraid.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

I think...

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

The job of the spy in many ways is to think the unthinkable, to ask yourself the questions which in normal life you would dismiss as absurd.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

I had some brief discussions.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

I did a consultancy gig here in the UK where people were asking me to look at what are the unseeable threats, what are the invisible ones.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

And it's very hard.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

You can't look at the back of your own head in the mirror.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

But a spy's job is to do that all the time.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

And to do it, if you're an operative in the field, do it in the micro as well, to ask yourself whether the waiter is putting something in your drink, to question whether the person you see delivering the mail is actually a postman.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

And, I mean, we are to a certain extent speaking of fantasy life, but hypervigilance, that sense of looking at everything twice and seeing things out of place, the psychological trait that people develop who've been in traumatic situations for prolonged periods of time, I have absolutely no doubt that that is an aspect of being in the field in an espionage context.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

So I had a long time ago a conversation with a guy who identified himself as having been trained at a facility like that, which I thought was, I mean, the most extraordinary idea.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

But the logic is impeccable.

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John Le Carré’s Son Revives His Late Dad's Spy

Yep.