Nick Jonas

It is not a given that that is the kind of people that will govern the state of Israel.

I don't agree.

We probably just won't see eye to eye on that.

The problem for Israel is that if it insists on keeping all the land, which the right wing is insisting, to be from the river to the sea and to annex and take over all of the land, then you have

15 million people that live in that land and a little bit less than half of them are Jewish.

So you actually cause a bigger problem for those who want to have a national homeland of the Jewish people if you keep all the land.

The only way actually for there to be a state that is

Jewish in nature and democratic and provides rights to all of its citizens and to have Palestinian people have their rights is for there to be a division of the land, for there to be some of that land.

And, you know, the numbers are 78-22 as the split between Israel and Palestine that's been, you know, on the table since 1967.

Yeah.

That's the only way for Israel to be both Jewish and democratic, because if the state of Palestine provides the self-determination and the national rights and the individual rights and the future and the hope for the five million Palestinians who live in Gaza and the West Bank and two million Palestinians who are citizens of Israel out of a population of 10 million are given full and equal rights like any minority in a democracy.

Right.

This actually is a resolvable problem.

It is not by definition that having a national homeland of the Jewish people, you know, there are so many countries around the world that have a national identity, a people who feel strongly as a people that gives their country a national identity.

It doesn't make them all ethno-nationalist states.

Ironically, the biggest problem that Israel has demographically is that the ultra-Orthodox are having too many kids.

Well, if that is the way that it's going to be implemented, I'd oppose it.

But what I'm arguing, and we may not agree, but I believe that the Declaration of Independence of the State of Israel and the values on which it was found and the basic laws that were established, the idea of it was that all 10 million people

Israeli citizens, whether they are Christian, Muslim, Druze, Jewish, Russian immigrants, Circassian, whoever they are, that they all have equal rights.

It is the demographic fact that 75, 76 percent of the citizens of the state of Israel right now are Jewish.