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Nick Lane

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

You've got all the CO2 in the ocean.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So the cells are a kind of little battery with the same structure as the Earth.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And if you look in a hydrothermal system, the cell membranes around the Earth, the crust of the Earth is like the membrane.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And where you have traffic going between the inside and the outside is the hydrothermal systems.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And the pores in these hydrothermal systems are little cell-like entities as well.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So you keep having on multiple scales the same kind of... So the idea that the Earth is a giant battery that produces little living cell mini batteries...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

It's a rather beautiful idea.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

I mean, you can't allow yourself to get too hung up on a metaphor, but it's a beautiful image.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

Bubbling off mini copies of the Earth.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

I mean, in principle, yes, you could use sodium ions instead of protons, but it's very different.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

Because if you're starting with carbon dioxide, and the first thing to realize about that is carbon is extremely good at the chemistry that it does.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

It's forming very strong bonds with all kinds of molecules.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So you can form complex, interesting molecules.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And you're effectively, I think of CO2 as a kind of a Lego brick that you pluck out of the air and you bind it onto something.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

You can build things one brick at a time that way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And then you can build really interesting complex molecules like DNA and RNA from doing that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

You can't do that with silicon.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So with intelligent design, you can make really complex AI robots, whatever it may be, but the whole thing requires humans to do it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

But if you're thinking about how would life start on a planet where there isn't an intelligent designer who's putting it all together, you need molecules that can do that kind of chemistry, and CO2 is an outstanding example.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And water is everywhere.