Nick Martell

We asked about work-life balance.

And Allison said it doesn't exist if you're a founder.

If you want to be a successful founder, you have to sacrifice work-life balance.

So then when you're making decisions like that, like even taking your son or when you're going to launch something, like Jack and I are always curious, like how much of it is like guts versus graphs, metrics versus magic, like information versus intuition?

How do you make the decisions?

Thermostat 2.0.

All right, well, Jamie, it's been wonderful to have you with us.

But before we let you go, we did have some rapid-fire questions for you and a question we always ask our guests at the end.

Okay, so what is the best brand in business?

Ring.

That isn't Ring, Jamie.

I mean, come on, come on.

By the way, for everyone listening, Jamie is wearing Ring socks, so we will accept that answer.

He has the Ring logo on his socks.

Kind of that consummate, just that fighter.

Well, like you, we did a whole episode on Disneyland.

First day was a total failure.

Nice, we're staying like right near there.

And if you could be a four-letter stock ticker symbol, but you can't say ring, and you can't say ding, and you can't say dong.

Oh, Jamie, thank you for being with us.