Nick Nisi

And so what we don't have, and to zoom back out again, is we only see in their cease and desist to Automatic slash Matt and team, or whoever this is to, their council, is the texts from Matt to them that are pretty damning, if you ask me. They're damaging. They're not... But we don't have context. We don't know what the other part of the conversation is.

But the issue I think that may have started this was that here's this – I want to say for-good company called WP Engine that was acquired by private equity and has less for-good. They have this thing, this terminology – audience, correct me on this. Nick, if you know, I almost called you Matt –

But the issue I think that may have started this was that here's this – I want to say for-good company called WP Engine that was acquired by private equity and has less for-good. They have this thing, this terminology – audience, correct me on this. Nick, if you know, I almost called you Matt –

There's this thing where they commit to giving back, almost like a tithe, back to the WordPress community. So Automag does this. They're a for-profit company. Matt Mullenweg is also, I believe, the chairman of the board for the WordPress Foundation. They allege he has more access to the community than he should. He has more power than he should, and so his words weigh quite heavily.

There's this thing where they commit to giving back, almost like a tithe, back to the WordPress community. So Automag does this. They're a for-profit company. Matt Mullenweg is also, I believe, the chairman of the board for the WordPress Foundation. They allege he has more access to the community than he should. He has more power than he should, and so his words weigh quite heavily.

But there's this idea of giving back to the open-sourceness community. Of WordPress, of which Automatic invests heavily, of which WP Engine historically, at least recently historically, does not.

But there's this idea of giving back to the open-sourceness community. Of WordPress, of which Automatic invests heavily, of which WP Engine historically, at least recently historically, does not.

And so that's where I go back into Zulip. Because I scanned this document. The moment that Don Mackinen shared this, things are getting spicy. And he links up this ex-post with the cease and desist to Automag CEO. Yeah. And I said, quote, scanned. If this is even close to accurate and those screenshots are true words that Matt shared with WPE, then that's pretty damaging.

And so that's where I go back into Zulip. Because I scanned this document. The moment that Don Mackinen shared this, things are getting spicy. And he links up this ex-post with the cease and desist to Automag CEO. Yeah. And I said, quote, scanned. If this is even close to accurate and those screenshots are true words that Matt shared with WPE, then that's pretty damaging.

Not sure what this percentage is behind the scenes being referenced, but that wasn't discussed by Matt in the keynote. And so if you watch the keynote, Matt talks from one side too. There's like context missing on both sides. Here's the clincher for me on this. And I don't know what your mileage is on this. I'll say, quote,

Not sure what this percentage is behind the scenes being referenced, but that wasn't discussed by Matt in the keynote. And so if you watch the keynote, Matt talks from one side too. There's like context missing on both sides. Here's the clincher for me on this. And I don't know what your mileage is on this. I'll say, quote,

If open source is free in all the ways that free is free, then WPE is also free. WP Engine is also free not to contribute or contribute very little. It's not cool, but they are free to act as such. That's why open source is so powerful. You are free in every way to or not to participate. It's not cool to only give 40 hours, but they can do it because it's called open source. That's how it works.

If open source is free in all the ways that free is free, then WPE is also free. WP Engine is also free not to contribute or contribute very little. It's not cool, but they are free to act as such. That's why open source is so powerful. You are free in every way to or not to participate. It's not cool to only give 40 hours, but they can do it because it's called open source. That's how it works.

So zooming out again, like private equity, siphoning off dollars from the community, Matt's argument, I think it's a sound argument or even a prerogative to have or an opinion to have. I don't think the stage in which he shared it and the way in which it was shared was necessarily right. Again, we are missing some context.

So zooming out again, like private equity, siphoning off dollars from the community, Matt's argument, I think it's a sound argument or even a prerogative to have or an opinion to have. I don't think the stage in which he shared it and the way in which it was shared was necessarily right. Again, we are missing some context.

So maybe that context is pertinent to course correcting that feeling I have, but I just don't feel like you do that. Like that's not, that's like a, that's like a Will Smith all over again. And Chris Rock, man, you don't go up on a stage and slap somebody. Okay.

So maybe that context is pertinent to course correcting that feeling I have, but I just don't feel like you do that. Like that's not, that's like a, that's like a Will Smith all over again. And Chris Rock, man, you don't go up on a stage and slap somebody. Okay.

Get the name WordPress out your mouth.

Get the name WordPress out your mouth.

You're a PHP guy, though, aren't you, Nick? I'm starting to be more. But I would go, yeah. Do you have a Lambo yet? Not yet. Not yet.