Nick Pell

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You know, like you're not addicted to weed and it's like, well, maybe you are.

Maybe you need a little medical support to get you off it.

Same with Kratom.

Like doctors just don't really take it seriously.

There just aren't support systems in place for people who want to kick Kratom.

Chances are you're probably just going to have to tough it out.

Yeah, some writers will compare it to bath salts and there's always the old standby that we kind of touched on of freaking out because some teenager took a little bit of Kratom on top of a handful of pills and he OD'd from the pills and had Kratom in his system.

And like any death is a tragedy, especially when it's someone who's young.

But at the same time, I think we really need some perspective on the relative danger and harm of Kratom.

As far as Kratom being like other legal highs like bath salts or spice or K2, I am totally unaware of any stories about people freaking out and eating someone's face because they got too high on Kratom, which, you know, anyone over the age of 30 probably remembers that guy in Florida.

Yep.

People just mostly seem to sit around and they have a little mini nod on a high dose or on a lower dose.

They get energetic and gregarious.

People aren't holding up liquor stores to get Kratom because you can get, you know, a kilo of the highest quality Kratom on planet Earth for about 100 bucks from a website.

And if you're just desperate for a fix, you can get an ounce of gas station quality stuff for between 15 and 30 bucks.

Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.

Some people are probably getting real benefits out of it, even if all they're doing is switching from a high that's very likely to kill them on a long enough timeline to something that's very unlikely to kill them, even if they use it for years or decades.

Correct.

I think the only real danger we're talking about here are people who pick up Kratom and they think, oh, it's this totally risk-free way of getting high.