Nick Pell

And then they find out the hard way that it's at least can be habit forming.

And, you know, even if it's just going through a coffee withdrawal, coffee sucks.

Yeah, I have quit coffee before and it's not a good time.

Yeah, I mean, I said this before, but in general, it's just dangerous to overplay or downplay the risk of drugs, whether they're, you know, stuff I can get at a gas station or stuff I can get off the dark web or whatever it is.

If you overplay the dangers, people get wise that they're being misled and they kind of just hand wave all even reasonable warnings as misinformation.

If you underplay the risks, people get this false sense of security.

And I think that's the real risk with Kratom is people are not getting a realistic assessment of the risks.

I think they're mostly just hearing about it as this cheap and easy way to get high.

They don't do due diligence because kind of who does if they're looking to get high, there's actual risks.

Yeah, sorry, man.

I just, I was not willing to get a Kratom addiction from what you pay me to do these.

guilty but if I may for a second I do think it's kind of scandalous that we're maybe sitting on this potentially powerful tool for either helping people kick opioids or alternately

replacing super dangerous opioids with fairly harmless ones i mean i i know there's been this kind of like knee-jerk reaction in the medical field where like they're not giving people opioids now who maybe need them and maybe kratom can fill that gap i'm not saying it can i'm saying maybe it can and we don't know

because the research just isn't being done in any serious way.

We just have these surveys from, you know, creative salesmen, and it's like, can we get some real research on this, please?

Right. It's time that somebody was fair to the slavers of history.

Right. It's time that somebody was fair to the slavers of history.

Right. It's time that somebody was fair to the slavers of history.

Yeah, I know. Me neither. But it was just too easy. You're right, by the way, this topic definitely needs a more balanced, level-headed, and I think more to the point, historically accurate review of things.

Yeah, I know. Me neither. But it was just too easy. You're right, by the way, this topic definitely needs a more balanced, level-headed, and I think more to the point, historically accurate review of things.