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Nick Pyenson

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The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

I'm anesthetizing them and the animals go to sleep and I go into the trap and I grab the mom and infant and I clean out her cheek pouches and I bring her out.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

I take the infant and actually stick the infant into the scarf that I'm wearing.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

At some point, I hand him off to one of my assistants, and we finish getting everyone processed and collecting all of our biological samples, and I've got everyone else now back in the big recovery trap, and everyone's waking up, and it's going well.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

Mom is awake now, and she's eating a few things, and the infant is still vocalizing.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

He was just naughty.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

And I remember thinking, oh, this is going to be a good release.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

I look, everything's clear, and I tilt the big trap back, and boom, man, those animals take off like a shot.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

And then I hear squeak.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

That mom heard it the exact same moment that I did.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

And I literally, I saw her basically like checking, I mean, she's running her hands over her body, her chest and her back, like, wait, where's my child?

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

She heard her infant squeak.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

She spins around.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

She comes straight back into a trap.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

She knew what that trap meant.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

So at that point, I had to decide what I was going to do.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

And, you know, I think what finally changed for me was acknowledging that the macaques understood far more about what was happening to them than I had ever admitted.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

I owe my scientific career to macaques.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

I was no longer willing to be part of a system that refused to meet those two criteria, the best welfare and the best science.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

When I left, I knew that every day, every night when I go to sleep, another thousand macaques have died.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

Whether they've been intentionally killed at the end of an experiment, or whether they died of a diarrheal disease in a laboratory in the US or the UK or the EU,