Nick Viall

And then it took me four, yeah, four to five years to, I don't want to do the exact math because it's too humbling.

It might end up being six, but yeah.

Yeah, it was it was everything you think it was like bizarre and a little lonely writing in a room and for so long and also like really cathartic.

And it's essentially, you know, about like a dysfunctional upbringing in the 90s on the East Coast and stuff.

The me, the delusional girl trying to like keep my parents together and failing.

And and then also my relationship with my dad, which was very eventful.

And he was my best friend when I was a kid and we were estranged for about five years in my 20s.

So it sort of swings from from funny to to kind of brutal and raw.

So, yeah.

Yeah.

And in fact, my therapist said she was when I told her I was going to write it, she said, you know, that that's going to be very healing.

I've had other clients write it.

It was sort of intimidating and write memoirs.

And but it did end up being that.

And, you know, when you're editing like a traumatic experience,

um, event that for the 50th time, it's just, you know, it becomes more, uh, you know, things that you have memories that live in the shadows.

And when you just keep looking at them and looking at them and looking at them, they just get less scary.

And that is kind of, um,

That is kind of what happened.

I think also coming off of Pen15 and writing about middle school in an authentic way was another form of therapy where like, you know, it was it was has anyone done EMDR therapy?