Nicola Talent

I think coupled with

what's happening day to day in the States, these Epstein fines are very difficult to cope with.

You know, you have to kind of take, come away from them a little bit, don't you?

Oh, totally.

Because you have to realise, like, it's shocking to think that's happening in the world.

Teen year old girl for prostitution.

Exactly.

And actually, it was a plea deal that he went to prison on.

And the investigation...

into that was actually triggered by allegations made by parents of 14 year old girls.

This was argued, and we will be coming on to that, but the child sex offender thing, I mean, it was the paedophile label that didn't sit well with a particular person we're going to talk about here, but...

Do we say child sex offender or it is the girls that are caught up in the Epstein world are teenagers?

No, I mean, they're all sorts of girls.

Yes.

And providing and procuring them for others, I mean, is really it.

And absolutely, but just making that slight... Yeah, so there is a legal distinction.

A legal distinction, but also probably we should accept that we don't need to be horrified that the victims that are groomed by Epstein and Co and used by them can be women and they can be older teenagers.

They're not just...

children, they're not just totally vulnerable children plucked, you know, in the same way that pedophile rings from the Catholic Church and all the rest of it and children, small children have been abused.

We should be equally horrified that teenagers coming of age