Nicola Talent

kids being groomed into drug gangs and all the rest of it.

That is seen as you're not forcing somebody to do something.

No.

It's easier to lure them, to tempt them with something.

And the people, the girls that she targeted would have been tempted with money.

They would have been tempted with... Opportunity.

Exactly, opportunity, and been told that there was this opportunity.

So they're not going willingly because they're going into this world where there is such a...

a power, like such a balance.

Yeah.

Whereas they're being lured.

It's like sort of, you know, holding out a treat for a dog.

They'll come and then they're treated badly where they are.

But it's easier than actually physically forcing somebody in the first place.

But the point is the men in his orbit were using his services.

So they wouldn't be horrified.

They'd be horrified that he was convicted, that they hadn't enough power really to stop him.

Well, a person who didn't actually, who wasn't part of the extracurricular services

and who was within his realm, you'd imagine they could sort of go, I don't want anything to do with this guy.

But a lot of those powerful people, as we now know, that were around Epstein, were around him because they wanted his services.