Nicola Tallent

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red out in the cold environs of a courtroom when you're sitting just meters away from those who've carried it out.

So I looked up and indeed Jason Hennessy had started smiling and laughing at that point.

And he was looking into the courtroom behind me where some of the

I think the female supporters and presumably partners were sitting and he was, you know, making faces at them and, you know, making them laugh, really.

The father and son, I thought the Fitzsimons were quite demure.

They had their heads down.

They were listening to it.

Devon, the one who was sitting nearest to me, was still continuing to try and communicate.

with some of the girls sitting behind me.

But not, I wouldn't have said... Not in a jovial mocking way.

No, not in a jovial mocking way.

It was like as if he was trying to understand.

They were trying to mouth conversations at one another and he was having difficulty understanding it.

But he wasn't certainly totally engaged.

Now, we have what, Brandon?

Brandon, the younger brother.

Brandon, the younger brother, looked to me to be...

And he looked disconnected, didn't he?

Totally disconnected, yeah, I would have said that.