Nicola Tallent

But what is fact and what is fiction when it comes to Havana syndrome?

And what did podcasters Jennifer Ford and Sam Bungie discover when they took a deep dive into a world of shadows and secrets?

Today, I'm talking to Jennifer and Sam about their latest series, Havana Helmet Club, a fascinating new podcast from the couple behind West Cork.

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So he experiences this noise and starts to have the reactions to it, but he's also being kind of followed, put under surveillance.

You've got that dual aspect of paranoia and, you know, Havana syndrome, whether you believe it or not.

Yeah.

At what point does he report that and when does it start to become a thing?

And when do people start reporting it from other parts of the world, not just Cuba?

Is it the publicity around it as well?

become a syndrome and is that a medical yeah when did people start using that phrase or is it a phrase we use it's not an actual syndrome like medically presumably these people were examined

No.

I'm sure that fed the paranoia for those who were working in the jobs and worried about it and aware of it then.

Yeah.

Especially if you had your family.

Exactly.

You might get hit with this.

It was like a... It feels like something out of an alien movie.

She was thinking about it or.

Yeah.