Nicola Tallent

I mean, I think it did, you know, however way it got about.

I even remember looking at it myself and you had to just look away, didn't you?

Viewed them as well, yeah.

John Powell and others like him who create these scenarios in prisons, I mean, it must be one of the hardest jobs in the world, is it, prison officer?

I personally, I think, I mean, how in the name of God do you deal with something like that kicking off like on a normal day's

Exactly.

And who's sort of, something goes wrong for them or within their life or whatever it is, and they kick off like that into such an extreme hostage situation.

For sure.

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