Nicola

They will.

I mean, they'll have to consider the evidence they've heard today and what they will hear in relation to, in relation to Sean McGovern.

Have there been any reports been done?

I wonder, psychiatric reports, anything like that, we'll know.

But I mean, look, it was a lot and I need to go back over it again and consider it.

But there was so much going on there that we didn't know.

And the insight into the messages, I think, really just show how little value they have on life and how they're willing to take out anybody just to get the numbers.

There was a kind of a bloodlust, wasn't there?

Right.

Well, listen, thanks, Eamon.

Always a pleasure, Nicola.

An Irish criminal who has landed almost five years in a US jail for tricking elderly people out of money has hired a celebrity lawyer to help him in his efforts to be transferred back to Ireland.

Today, I'm talking with Eamon Dillon, about 28-year-old John O'Brien and the lawyer made famous by Netflix.

You're listening to Crime World, a podcast from crimeworld.com.

One of the interesting parts of this story that you've written, Eamon, about the convicted Irish fraudster John O'Brien, who's due to serve his full prison sentence in the US of, what, 56 months.

Is the lawyer, this guy, the attorney, should I say, Todd A. Spodek, who you have spoken to in relation to O'Brien, maybe start with telling us who O'Brien is, a little bit of background.

So when was he doing this?

Was this pre-Trump?

Okay.

So would they not, when they pick up somebody like this and he's illegal in the country, just deport him?