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Nicole Abadie

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355 total appearances

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The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

It's interesting.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

We see it through Ellie's eyes.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

And from what he'd been led to believe,

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

by the Colonel who sent him there, it was some major terrorist camp.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

But in fact, it becomes clear to him that it is just a refugee camp.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

And in fact, that it's really quite pathetic.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

One of the things that he notices, that Ellie notices, is failed kitchen gardens.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

And I think that really introduces a note of pathos that gives you a real sense of what this camp is really like.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

It's just people whose homes have been destroyed.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

trying to eke out and living for themselves and their families.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

The colonel had told Ellie before he went in there that this was a camp at the end of the world, a hideout for some of the worst human scum.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

So that's what his expectations are.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

And those expectations are, of course, completely overturned when, as you say, he meets Momo and develops a relationship with him.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

The modules that you're talking about that he's learned in his cultural sensitivity course include ones on basic good manners with tribals.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

That's one unit that he studies.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

And another is eat and drink with the enemy.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

So he is trying to draw on what he's learned in these modules and to apply that on the ground.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

And as you say, there's a big difference between what he's been taught and what the American perceptions are and what life actually is like and what the people are actually like.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

She works with USAID and she is there specifically to work with families who've been affected by bombing raids and who are suffering from PTSD.

The Bookshelf
On Mark Brandi's The Rip, Dervla McTiernan's The Scholar, Leïla Slimani's Adèle and Mohammed Hanif's Red Birds

But more specifically, as she tells Momo, she's doing a PhD on, and I'm using the air quotes now as well, the teenage Muslim mind.