Nicole Lapin

And I think that's so important to open up about because you came from nothing, nothing.

Zero.

That's right.

In Romania, communist society, what was your idea about money growing up?

What stood out to me about that story is that at 12 years old, she said, you can do it.

And I feel that from you.

Like, you are so confident.

And do you still worry about money from growing up, seeing a communist society coming here?

I'm first generation American and also lost everything in the fire in Los Angeles.

So still...

feeling financial trauma is real like it never truly goes away and some stuff that comes up can still trigger old wounds for sure do you feel like there's a day that you wouldn't have enough again or have you gotten over that you know when you come from darkness when you see the light you are happy about and if it's going to be dark again

And you did, but you've had no money and you've had a lot of money.

Which one is better?

Which one brings you more happiness?

When you first came to the U.S., you started working at a salon.

And I love this because the owners benefited from the Equal Credit Opportunity Act and the Women's Business Ownership Act.

I don't think people realize because before that, you couldn't get credit without a male relative.

You worked for two female entrepreneurs at the time.

Yes.

That was revolutionary.