Nicole Lapin

And in the acquisition process, they said that they would have autonomy, et cetera, et cetera.

What advice would you give to Ben and Jerry?

Well, I really appreciate that you do not mince words about all of these issues with the acquisition.

I think it's so refreshing and so sobering to so many people who might be starting businesses and think that this is the end-all be-all, the dream.

Well, we try to share them or like options, which I sometimes call magical beans, all of these things that you learn through the process that, you know, equity in a company sounds really sexy until, you know, that company raises money and the investors add pref like preferred shares on top of it, and then nobody in common gets paid out.

Yeah, exactly.

We did an episode

Well, speaking of worst case scenario.

So I told you I became

a believer after meeting you.

So I had all the Laundress products, was obsessed, got the black and white...

iron board cover that I love so much.

It burned in the fire recently, but it made ironing fun.

And I truly was all about it.

Then I got an email, I think, that there was a recall in 2022.

And I was like, what the heck?

And I didn't know because you weren't talking about.

The ether.

Just slithered away.

So you weren't there.