Nicole Perlroth

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To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll · Ep. 6: The North Korea Model · 14 Jul 2026 podcast

Here's Rob Joyce again.

And as we've learned, these IT workers, they're everywhere.

Here's Barney again.

They have placement and access globally.

I mean, they are everywhere.

Have they ever done it?

Has an IT worker ever done it?

Yeah, they've done destructive attacks.

They've done stuff on the inside.

So really what we have now is a worldwide chess game.

And they've put all their pieces in place.

Now, they're not really in an armed conflict right now.

I know they're always kind of fighting in the grave space.

But if push comes to shove,

You have thousands and thousands of organizations at your disposal that you can start blowing up from the inside.

Listening to Barney, I couldn't help thinking back to our first season.

Then we were talking about Chinese hackers quietly pre-positioning inside America's infrastructure.

Now we're talking about people, people with legitimate jobs, credentials, real access to source code, the crown jewels, our most critical infrastructure in some cases.

I mean, for heaven's sake, don't forget we found one of these North Koreans working at a US nuclear utility.

And this may actually be the more insidious form of pre-positioning.

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