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Nicole Perlroth

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1380 total appearances

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To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Highways and bridges.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Highways and bridges.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

But a couple of years into Belt and Road, China quietly announced a new initiative under the same umbrella, the Digital Silk Road.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

But a couple of years into Belt and Road, China quietly announced a new initiative under the same umbrella, the Digital Silk Road.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Officially, Digital Silk Road was to help usher developing nations into the internet age. But by providing them with cheap fiber optics cables, networks, routers, and switches, it also guaranteed the PRC permanent footing in the world's digital backbone.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Officially, Digital Silk Road was to help usher developing nations into the internet age. But by providing them with cheap fiber optics cables, networks, routers, and switches, it also guaranteed the PRC permanent footing in the world's digital backbone.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Chinese companies like Huawei and ZTE sold these companies on the promise of total digital optimization at sweet subsidized bargain basement prices.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Chinese companies like Huawei and ZTE sold these companies on the promise of total digital optimization at sweet subsidized bargain basement prices.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

They'd frequently quote 20, 30, even 40% cheaper pricing than Western competitors like Cisco and Ericsson. This all but guaranteed global adoption.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

They'd frequently quote 20, 30, even 40% cheaper pricing than Western competitors like Cisco and Ericsson. This all but guaranteed global adoption.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Has Huawei stolen trade secrets from Cisco?

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Has Huawei stolen trade secrets from Cisco?

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

And they're still stealing, right? I mean, to the tune of $600 billion a year, Gordon. Well, it's hundreds of billions of dollars a year.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

And they're still stealing, right? I mean, to the tune of $600 billion a year, Gordon. Well, it's hundreds of billions of dollars a year.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

And that pricing made it mighty easy to ignore Washington's admonitions about potential security risks.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

And that pricing made it mighty easy to ignore Washington's admonitions about potential security risks.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

U.S. officials have been especially quick to note that Huawei's founder, Ren Zhengfei, started his career as an engineer in the Chinese military, the PLA. Ren's PLA background consumed Huawei's entire culture, even its vernacular. Sales guys were known as guerrillas. Ren called his engineers soldiers. Their managers, generals. Altogether, Huawei's employees were Ren's, quote, iron army.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

U.S. officials have been especially quick to note that Huawei's founder, Ren Zhengfei, started his career as an engineer in the Chinese military, the PLA. Ren's PLA background consumed Huawei's entire culture, even its vernacular. Sales guys were known as guerrillas. Ren called his engineers soldiers. Their managers, generals. Altogether, Huawei's employees were Ren's, quote, iron army.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Even their salaries? Rations. And in Huawei's earliest days, Ren had a saying. A country without its own program-controlled switches is like one without an army. As Ren himself alluded, what companies like Huawei, and it wasn't just Huawei, but ZTE and others, what they were doing, building out the world's digital backbone, it gave China the keys to global data flows.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Even their salaries? Rations. And in Huawei's earliest days, Ren had a saying. A country without its own program-controlled switches is like one without an army. As Ren himself alluded, what companies like Huawei, and it wasn't just Huawei, but ZTE and others, what they were doing, building out the world's digital backbone, it gave China the keys to global data flows.