Nicole Perlroth

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To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll · Ep. 6: The North Korea Model · 14 Jul 2026 podcast

The low level guys are going to be doing stuff that they couldn't do before.

I'm worried that they can shift away from social engineering and start moving into this play where they're focused more on exploits than vulnerability capability, which we've seen North Korea try to get to, but it's been pretty limited.

I feel like

one of the repercussions of the ways that we're going to see them move is into that space right and i think north three in iran are potentially on the edge where they could make that shift to this higher level of play at google we've had this program called big sleep about we started about two years ago and we started using ai to find vulnerabilities but to me that was an alarm bell

We've got really smart people, but it won't be long before labs are getting set up in Pyongyang where they're like trying to do the same thing.

I believe that process has already begun.

We found this year a criminal actor who was using a zero day built with AI.

If the criminals are doing it, I'm fairly certain that the states are doing it.

I think one of the weird things about this too is that we're not necessarily going to see the stuff that's going on in Pyongyang.

We get to see the end result.

And we may not know that it was created with AI.

And so my suspicion is we've already found things over zero days that were created this way.

We just don't have the evidence.

And here's Rob Joyce with a lesson we've come back to again and again this season.

Sanctions, export controls, a lack of internet.

If North Korea has proved anything, it's that there's no constraint that they aren't able to bypass.

We can manufacture a few consequences, but they just keep getting better.

More access.

They're running a masterclass on crypto heists.

And they're no longer just raiding the system from the outside.

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