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Nicole Perlroth

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To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

And those keys didn't just give China the ability to intercept data. It theoretically gave them the ability to hit a kill switch at any time.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

And those keys didn't just give China the ability to intercept data. It theoretically gave them the ability to hit a kill switch at any time.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Huawei reportedly has even more access to information possibly about you than previously thought. Intel sources say that they've known for years that Huawei builds covert access for the Chinese government into its mobile hardware, software and systems known in the cyber world as back doors.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Huawei reportedly has even more access to information possibly about you than previously thought. Intel sources say that they've known for years that Huawei builds covert access for the Chinese government into its mobile hardware, software and systems known in the cyber world as back doors.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Now, we should note that US officials have never offered any proof that the PRC has used Huawei or ZTE systems for espionage or sabotage. And Huawei has emphatically denied it has ever or would ever give the Chinese government any information or freely hand its equipment over for all-out cyberwar.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

Now, we should note that US officials have never offered any proof that the PRC has used Huawei or ZTE systems for espionage or sabotage. And Huawei has emphatically denied it has ever or would ever give the Chinese government any information or freely hand its equipment over for all-out cyberwar.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

But it's very much worth noting that in 2017, China passed a suite of intelligence laws requiring, quote, "...any organization or citizen shall support, assist, and cooperate with state intelligence work." In effect, Chinese companies are required by law to give the PRC access to these systems or turn over data at any time. No warrant, no oversight, no due process.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

But it's very much worth noting that in 2017, China passed a suite of intelligence laws requiring, quote, "...any organization or citizen shall support, assist, and cooperate with state intelligence work." In effect, Chinese companies are required by law to give the PRC access to these systems or turn over data at any time. No warrant, no oversight, no due process.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

But with Snowden as a backdrop over the same time period, the U.S. didn't exactly have moral standing to be warning other countries about foreign surveillance and backdoors. In fact, in 2014, my former Times colleague David Sanger and I reported that at one point, the NSA had actually broken into Huawei and used it as a conduit for its own spy ops.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

But with Snowden as a backdrop over the same time period, the U.S. didn't exactly have moral standing to be warning other countries about foreign surveillance and backdoors. In fact, in 2014, my former Times colleague David Sanger and I reported that at one point, the NSA had actually broken into Huawei and used it as a conduit for its own spy ops.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

all of which made Washington's warnings even easier to ignore. And just as the U.S. has failed to convince the 170 million Americans to stop using TikTok, their admonitions on Huawei have been to meager effect.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

all of which made Washington's warnings even easier to ignore. And just as the U.S. has failed to convince the 170 million Americans to stop using TikTok, their admonitions on Huawei have been to meager effect.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

By 2020, Huawei wasn't just selling phones and routers anymore. They were selling the entire stack. 5G networks, data centers, satellite systems.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

By 2020, Huawei wasn't just selling phones and routers anymore. They were selling the entire stack. 5G networks, data centers, satellite systems.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

They were building out smart cities.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

They were building out smart cities.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

And then safe cities complete with AI enabled surveillance cameras, facial recognition technology, crowd monitoring, behavioral analytics.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

And then safe cities complete with AI enabled surveillance cameras, facial recognition technology, crowd monitoring, behavioral analytics.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

And all of it came with Chinese hardware, firmware, and software that could be remotely accessed or frequently maintained with updates from China. Software was eating the world. China was baking its digital sensors and software into cities. Bridges, traffic systems, waste collection, water treatment, hospitals, homes, cars.

To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll
Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once

And all of it came with Chinese hardware, firmware, and software that could be remotely accessed or frequently maintained with updates from China. Software was eating the world. China was baking its digital sensors and software into cities. Bridges, traffic systems, waste collection, water treatment, hospitals, homes, cars.