Nicolle Wallace

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Hi, everyone, and welcome to the best people podcast.

This week's guest is a woman in Florida for she served as the United States ambassador to the United Nations.

She served as President Barack Obama's national security adviser.

She served as President Joe Biden's head of the Domestic Policy Council.

She's written about her personal journey to all those powerful places.

in a way that shares more humanity than most people in public life.

Without any further ado, this is The Best People Podcast, and this is Susan Rice.

Thank you for being here.

It's great to be with you, Nicole.

Thank you.

I think of you as sort of the proverbial badass who's done it all and seen it all.

But I also think of you as someone who has written about what it feels like to be in a position of power and what it feels like to have a family divided by our politics and someone who really doesn't just observe our polarization, but is sort of seeing what it's doing to every corner and facet of American life.

And before we get to your thoughts and your counsel and your wisdom, what are you feeling in this moment?

You write in your memoir about polarization being a national security vulnerability for our country.

Will you explain?

And to your point, and Russia's a perfect example of how they're braided together, because I may have worked for the last...

sort of Russia hawk when I worked for John McCain.