Nicolle Wallace

This is not contested ground. That's what I meant. I found the first term, and a lot of what he was doing was unearthed by investigative journalists who usually did their first TV interviews on your show and on our shows. And that felt... Not subversive, but it felt sort of illicit and like the information was being unearthed. Teased out, yeah. Correct.

This is not contested ground. That's what I meant. I found the first term, and a lot of what he was doing was unearthed by investigative journalists who usually did their first TV interviews on your show and on our shows. And that felt... Not subversive, but it felt sort of illicit and like the information was being unearthed. Teased out, yeah. Correct.

Everything is out in the open, like including what they were trying to do to their own intelligence agencies to fabricate a legal rationale for mass deportations without due process. And I mean, the grifting ahead of... You know, I did a lot of foreign trips with Bush, and, like, the advance trips never included, like, hotel deals on the 1,000th floor of hotels in Abu Dhabi.

Everything is out in the open, like including what they were trying to do to their own intelligence agencies to fabricate a legal rationale for mass deportations without due process. And I mean, the grifting ahead of... You know, I did a lot of foreign trips with Bush, and, like, the advance trips never included, like, hotel deals on the 1,000th floor of hotels in Abu Dhabi.

Like, they were like, where's a nice venue to go visit some kids for Mrs. Bush? Like, it's all out in the open.

Like, they were like, where's a nice venue to go visit some kids for Mrs. Bush? Like, it's all out in the open.

Like, even if it's wildly successful, it's not a billionaire truck dealership.

Like, even if it's wildly successful, it's not a billionaire truck dealership.

Well, I also think if you go to the most fundamental thing that they're doing, they're moving human beings.

Well, I also think if you go to the most fundamental thing that they're doing, they're moving human beings.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think if you pump the brakes right there, what the public thinks it's for is deporting back to home countries people who are adjudicated criminals. New York Times-Siena's got like 87% of people that are for that. That's largely what Obama did. That is not where any of the time and energy has been spent.

And I think if you pump the brakes right there, what the public thinks it's for is deporting back to home countries people who are adjudicated criminals. New York Times-Siena's got like 87% of people that are for that. That's largely what Obama did. That is not where any of the time and energy has been spent.

And so all of the movement of human beings to countries from which they are not, for crimes that they can't prove were committed, for people that it's not even clear they presented evidence to anyone. I mean, I just find it all so surreal. I find the fact that everyone seems... It doesn't feel like a partisan statement to say due process is a thing we're still for.

And so all of the movement of human beings to countries from which they are not, for crimes that they can't prove were committed, for people that it's not even clear they presented evidence to anyone. I mean, I just find it all so surreal. I find the fact that everyone seems... It doesn't feel like a partisan statement to say due process is a thing we're still for.

And I, like you, have driven by some of the protests on some of the big weekend protest days. And to see people holding up the signs for due process, like, made my, you know, democracy-worried heart sing. But the other piece of it is the movement of humans. Like, I'm not sure that we should be moving humans anywhere.

And I, like you, have driven by some of the protests on some of the big weekend protest days. And to see people holding up the signs for due process, like, made my, you know, democracy-worried heart sing. But the other piece of it is the movement of humans. Like, I'm not sure that we should be moving humans anywhere.

I'm not sure that any part of our politics ever contemplated anything other than deporting adjudicated criminals back to their home countries.

I'm not sure that any part of our politics ever contemplated anything other than deporting adjudicated criminals back to their home countries.