Nicolle Wallace

is being the guy that takes on the bully and defends the most vulnerable.

And the fact that Joe Rogan, who built an audience around the trope of masculinity, allows Trump to define it for him is pathetic and the least masculine thing I've ever seen.

But the inverse is true, right?

You wrote about this after the Golden Globes.

You have regular American citizens pouring into the streets after a regular American citizen was shot and killed for being in a protest.

You've got artists who can barely afford to pay their dance or musical companies pulling out of the Kennedy Center commitments in protest.

of what's happening at the Kennedy Center.

You've got independent journalists who are dependent on the trust that their readers or their listeners have in them.

You've got a genuine grassroots example where they are braver and more confrontational than the elites.

Like why isn't big law following the country?

Why aren't the titans of Hollywood following the country if that's where public opinion has gone?

Or streaming music.

What are you going to listen to?

Tim Cook's Apple or Spotify, who until a week ago was running ice ads.

No, it's, I mean, it's so pervasive.

I want to ask you to sort of do a report card for how people are doing on some of the big stories that we're covering while I can sort of borrow your big brain on these.

Let's start with Epstein.

I mean, I think that the media is emboldened by the bipartisan nature of the push for transparency.

Which is ridiculous because if you spend a second with a single survivor, they're the least partisan people I've covered in 15 years.

Like if they have personal politics, I've never been able to deduce what they are.