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Before we launch to NATO, because I think destroying NATO, it's chicken and egg to try to figure out if it was Putin's idea or Trump's instinct.

I just want to ask you one more question about Venezuela.

I mean, the exercise is futile to figure out why they're there and why they're giving us a million different reasons for being there.

But one of the things that I think is important, going back to the Republicans and what they're stuck between, is that one of their reflexive defenses is,

for using the military to remove another country's leader was that Maduro is bad.

Maduro is awful.

But they left Maduro's regime in power.

I mean, they can't even pretend that removing someone awful and autocratic and brutal and an election denier who, you know, is horrible to his own people was the reason they kidnapped him, because they left his number two

How do you sort of lance the boil that is the Republican bullshit about why removing Maduro, who is truly a terrible person, was the reason they did it?

If that, I mean, Trump won, Trump wins the Republican nomination three times by really sewing up isolationism.

I think this is a line of George W. Bush's actually in private speeches and maybe public ones that he took the isms, you know, nativism, isolationism.

And that's how he won the Republican nomination.

And I guess I just wonder how, like Marco Rubio knows better.