Nicolle Wallace

Well, he's been president for a year.

Like, why is that the case?

Loved him.

It was the weirdest live event I've covered in 10 years of covering Trump live.

He loved him.

He let him call him a fascist in front of him because he liked him so much.

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They're all like flaunting their like insecurities a little too closely.

They don't even fight him.

Well, and how is that not more...

associated with masculinity.

Like someday someone will have to sit me down and explain how a guy that wouldn't go to a World War I cemetery in Europe because he didn't want to dampen his hair is like our icon of masculine aspiration.

I don't actually even understand it.

And I think that, and maybe this is my age, right?

I think masculinity is

is being the guy that takes on the bully and defends the most vulnerable.

And the fact that Joe Rogan, who built an audience around the trope of masculinity, allows Trump to define it for him is pathetic and the least masculine thing I've ever seen.

But the inverse is true, right?

You wrote about this after the Golden Globes.