Nicolle Wallace

Do you think that there is a fear that people won't get work in Hollywood?

I mean, is it that bad, like a blacklist kind of fear?

Why do you think he changed?

What does Jeff Bezos need?

What does someone that rich need?

You know, President Obama talked really early in the second Trump, probably about a year ago, about how disappointed he was in all the people capitulating, all the law firms capitulating, all the universities making deals.

And he said, look, you have to, if you're a university, just live off your big endowment.

If you're a law firm, just, you know, maybe delay the renovation on your university.

second home or something.

I mean, his point was the people with the most, the people who benefited from the country the most should not be the first ones capitulating.

Why do you think that has been the dynamic?

Do you think it can be turned around?

Do you think when you look at how unpopular Trump is now and the fact that you've got ordinary people in Minneapolis shaming all these people of privilege?

Yeah.

Why?

I said the same.

I said, hope is the gateway to despair.

So I'm done with hope.

It's like, it makes you disappointed.

But maybe it's replaced by shame, right?