Nicolle Wallace

Yeah.

Robert combines dramatic precision and it turns out comedic timing with his signature eye for detail.

And while the name De Niro is synonymous with tough guy, his true gift is the sensitivity that he brings to each role.

He once said, quote, I feel I have to earn the right to play a part.

And the result is honest and authentic art that reveals who we really are.

I don't know that there's any better way to contrast what Trump actually is with what Obama there is describing you as doing in playing mobsters, that Trump has somehow mixed up the roles and he's playing what he thinks a tough person is when your depiction of these people is so iconic and award-winning because you play human beings.

And I wonder where along the way you think we lost the plot about what toughness is.

But that takes toughness.

Colbert is one of the beacons, right?

Speaking truth to power, even though it has somehow cost him his job.

What do you make of the assault on comedians and artists?

To use your economic power.

I was going to come back to the tech guys.

I mean, for, I think, smaller outfits to see the big fish capitulate, it's disorienting.

Yeah.

And he's refused to protect it.

You know, journalists had the FBI at their homes.

The firings take place and he's refused to protect it.

It seems to be complicit in its destruction.

Right.