Nicolle Wallace

I hear the same excuse, and I was obsessed with trying to find out where the padded room was where people were studying the first years of Putin, because Putin didn't start the way he is now, right?

And neither did Orban.

And it was pretty hard to get anyone to admit that they were studying with the early years of autocracy

would be like.

And I was so angry that companies didn't seem to feel, or at least wouldn't say publicly, that they had any skin in the game in the country having the rule of law.

Does the assault on the Department of Justice or the dismantling of large swaths of the FBI shake any of their conviction that they have this fiduciary duty to go along to get along?

Well, there's also the piece that we turn to you for all the time, and that is appeasement is the opposite of strength and masculinity.

I mean, the weakness that they project by doubling and tripling, quadrupling down on what is exactly as you articulate, a strategy of appeasing something that is not consistent with even their stated corporate values in a lot of instances.

Yeah, Alyssa Slotkin got at that a little bit yesterday.

She was talking about a grand jury trying to indict her and failing.

And I don't know what the question was, but she said basically, you know, my father, who died a couple weeks ago, taught me to right from wrong and to love my country.

And this country has given me everything.

I mean, that's true of all of us.

I mean, it's given us everything.

And to look through who feels like they owe the country something back—

It's interesting and it's undeniable that the titans of business, the tech titans, the most successful people who've built their businesses here do not feel that they owe the democracy a lifeline in this moment.

Do you think that'll change?

Yeah, and the Wall Street Journal has a story this morning about how they're building moats around their houses because they're so afraid.

They're so afraid of political violence and high-profile violence.

I mean, they're going in the opposite direction.