Nilay Patel

But it also seems like the users could simply say, hey, the comment section of every photo in the world now is just an argument about whether or not this is AI.

Can you help us out?

Would that push them into improvement?

When you talk to the industry, when I hear from the industry, it is the drumbeat that you've mentioned several times.

Look, it's going to get better.

It's going to be slow.

Every standard is slow.

You have to give it time.

It sounds like you don't necessarily believe that, right?

You think that this has already failed.

Explain that.

Do you think this has already failed?

It does seem like these platforms, maybe modernity as we experience it today, have been built on you can trust the things that come off these phones.

You can just see it over and over and over again, social movements rise and fall based on whether or not you can trust the things that phones generate.

And if you destabilize that, you're going to have to build all kinds of other systems.

I'm not sure C2PA is it.

I'm sure we will hear from the C2PA folks.

I'm sure we will hear from Adam and from Neil and the other platform owners on Decoder.

Again, we've invited everybody on.

What do you think the next turn here is?