Nilay Patel

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36,525 appearances 131 recordings 4 series first heard Aug 2024 last heard 3d ago

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Decoder with Nilay Patel · Can John Ternus find Apple's next big thing? · 21 Sep 2026 podcast

And every now and again I get pushback on this from a CEO. voice-verified

He says, no, no, no, no, it doesn't matter. voice-verified

It's all about the people. voice-verified

And I feel like Apple is both, right? voice-verified

The structure of Apple has been the same for a long time. voice-verified

Steve Jobs used to call it the world's biggest startup. voice-verified

And then you just had these people who had voice-verified

been there forever. voice-verified

They're just the same cast of characters under Cook as they were under jobs. voice-verified

And you could probably shuffle them any way you wanted, but it was the same people. voice-verified

That's right. voice-verified

And so of course the culture persisted. voice-verified

You're describing a wholesale turnover at the top. voice-verified

And then it also seems like there's some structure changes happening underneath John Turnis, right? voice-verified

Uh Johnny Ive was the chief design officer of the company, which always felt to me like part of that Hotel California strategy. voice-verified

Oh, that was he's gone now. voice-verified

That voice-verified

But they were they were afraid of him leaving because he was so tied to a jobs era and then they they managed to to work him out of the company. voice-verified

We can talk about OpenAI in a bit. voice-verified

Uh Johnny Shrugi is the chief hardware officer now. voice-verified

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