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And I'm Nish Kumar. Once again, we can't escape Trump. The president has unleashed a tidal wave of incredulity around the world from backflips on tariffs to Elon Musk's interventions in the apparatus of American government. And just this morning, as we record, announcing a completely insane plan to take over the Gaza Strip.

And I'm Nish Kumar. Once again, we can't escape Trump. The president has unleashed a tidal wave of incredulity around the world from backflips on tariffs to Elon Musk's interventions in the apparatus of American government. And just this morning, as we record, announcing a completely insane plan to take over the Gaza Strip.

No, there's no pause. There's not even time for us to make fun of Drake. That's how serious the situation is. To discuss these waves of chaos and, back in the UK, the salacious allegations that his inner circle describe Keir Starmer as an HR manager, we'll be joined by a very special guest, the newsagent Lewis Goodall.

No, there's no pause. There's not even time for us to make fun of Drake. That's how serious the situation is. To discuss these waves of chaos and, back in the UK, the salacious allegations that his inner circle describe Keir Starmer as an HR manager, we'll be joined by a very special guest, the newsagent Lewis Goodall.

That's Trump announcing his plans for Gaza in a press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Just to summarise some of the other headlines coming out of these announcements, Trump said that the Palestinians would have no alternative but to leave Gaza. The US would own and develop the Gaza Strip.

That's Trump announcing his plans for Gaza in a press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Just to summarise some of the other headlines coming out of these announcements, Trump said that the Palestinians would have no alternative but to leave Gaza. The US would own and develop the Gaza Strip.

He's called Gaza a symbol of death and destruction and that the only reason people would want to live there is because they have nowhere else to go. And he spoke about it in chillingly cold terms. He spoke about it as the real estate developer he always has been and said that he envisions Gaza as a Riviera of the Middle East.

He's called Gaza a symbol of death and destruction and that the only reason people would want to live there is because they have nowhere else to go. And he spoke about it in chillingly cold terms. He spoke about it as the real estate developer he always has been and said that he envisions Gaza as a Riviera of the Middle East.

So in terms of what this means for the Palestinian people, he suggests that the 1.8 million Palestinians living in Gaza should move to neighbouring countries with humanitarian hearts. So this is ethnic cleansing. This is, you know, the use of violence and force and intimidation to essentially drive a community of people out of their homes.

So in terms of what this means for the Palestinian people, he suggests that the 1.8 million Palestinians living in Gaza should move to neighbouring countries with humanitarian hearts. So this is ethnic cleansing. This is, you know, the use of violence and force and intimidation to essentially drive a community of people out of their homes.

If you watch that footage of Trump giving the press conference, Netanyahu is stood next to him on a lectern and it's sort of nodding approvingly throughout. What you're seeing really is the realisation of Netanyahu's ambitions for Gaza, which is effectively to drive the Palestinians out of their homeland and make it a part of Israel.

If you watch that footage of Trump giving the press conference, Netanyahu is stood next to him on a lectern and it's sort of nodding approvingly throughout. What you're seeing really is the realisation of Netanyahu's ambitions for Gaza, which is effectively to drive the Palestinians out of their homeland and make it a part of Israel.

This is why Netanyahu has been so open in his support for Donald Trump, because he knew that Trump would open the door for exactly this happening. But if international law is to mean anything anymore, then the international community has to stand strongly and the United Nations has to stand strongly against this plan because it is ethnic cleansing.

This is why Netanyahu has been so open in his support for Donald Trump, because he knew that Trump would open the door for exactly this happening. But if international law is to mean anything anymore, then the international community has to stand strongly and the United Nations has to stand strongly against this plan because it is ethnic cleansing.